Home for the holidays

"505Turbeaux" (505turbeaux) 12/23/2014 at 10:49 • Filed to: None

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a good friend of mine is at least, he just sent me this snap. I know it isn't too special in the UK, but nice of him to think of me over in the States

4muddyfeet - bare knuckle with an EZ30 > 505Turbeaux 12/23/2014 at 10:52

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It's special to me

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > 505Turbeaux 12/23/2014 at 10:54

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I want one, but the feds won't let me :(

505Turbeaux > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie 12/23/2014 at 10:59

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sure they will, pre-1990 is just fine!

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > 505Turbeaux 12/23/2014 at 11:00

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Yeah, but who knows if it really is pre-1990. For all I know, they could be selling me a post-1990 model, which would be very unsafe.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie 12/23/2014 at 11:01

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Actually... they will. A Series II, IIA, or III is not that hard to import, but can be even easier to find in the US already. That's not a Defender, it's a 2.25 gas Series IIA (early) with military style rear crossmember - though that's probably not original. It's ca. 1965-67.

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 12/23/2014 at 11:03

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You'd be shocked at how much they sell for over here if you don't know already. I was mostly kidding, but if I really did want one, I'd find the right one and get it imported myself.

505Turbeaux > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie 12/23/2014 at 11:03

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that is why you need a guy on the street to vet it out. Get a hold of Duurtlang. No reason you couldn't make a safe transaction. That is who I am going to use. Noone is going to sell you a newer one over there if you dont want it. They try and send those in for the modern features and value of the newer ones. If you want nothing special, you arent going to get it. They might take a slightly longer look at a couple of vin locations, but if it isnt sporting later rims, airbags, dash etc it is pretty failsafe

TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie 12/23/2014 at 11:03

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That's a Land Rover 110 (not Land Rover Defender 110), so it's older than 25 years old. Go wild ;).

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > 505Turbeaux 12/23/2014 at 11:03

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Tall sill = early IIA or II, though I'm guessing IIA in this case. Exhaust pipe suggests gas 2.25, I think - hard to see.

505Turbeaux > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 12/23/2014 at 11:06

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oh yeah it has that little peashooter on it. I have seen a few 2.25 diesels with the same pipe though

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie 12/23/2014 at 11:08

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This may shock you, but I'm in the US, Rover fetish notwithstanding. I'm familiar with what Defenders go for, and I'm familiar with how inflated Series are, but there is a sweet spot of around $7k where a Series is overpriced, but not as badly as a full resto and doesn't take that crushingly much work to rehab into a driver. At that price point, the import advantage is slim.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > 505Turbeaux 12/23/2014 at 11:09

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The rear pipe is pretty much the same, usually. The drop pipe for the diesel comes into the fender, so it would be visible a different place, probably. It looks like this has a lump under the front-most crossmember that would match the gas, though.

Cé hé sin > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie 12/23/2014 at 11:11

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It's real. Here we go:

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. 12/23/2014 at 11:11

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*109. Tall sills, split doors, old hinges, leafs: we've got a pre-'69 IIa here.

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 12/23/2014 at 11:12

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I've never seen one around that price range, but it definitely seems fair for a model that maybe needs some TLC but doesn't have anything seriously wrong with it apart from having been built in Britain. Might need to pick up some of this:

TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. > 505Turbeaux 12/23/2014 at 11:12

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I have a few Land Rover friends over in England that will help me find one when I'm ready. It's good to have friends all over the world :)

TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 12/23/2014 at 11:14

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Was looking at the slanted windows, he must have replaced the doors at some point from a mid 80's Land Rover.

505Turbeaux > TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. 12/23/2014 at 11:15

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ha it sure is!

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. 12/23/2014 at 11:22

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He's done a bunch of things for convenience -see also the galvy mil-style rear crossmember. Given how door-tops can give trouble, it's not a shocker.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie 12/23/2014 at 11:23

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Generally at that price point they have firewall rust, but there's an art to getting that sorted out pretty easily and cheaply. (I've been involved in fixing 5 firewalls at this point - all the way from "nastily" to "quite nicely".

Coty > 505Turbeaux 12/23/2014 at 11:27

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See a white one most mornings on my way to work. Amazing I haven't crashed yet.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Cé hé sin 12/23/2014 at 11:28

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Looks like I missed the call on the diesel- it'd have helped to have a better shot of where the pipe was. Dead on for year range and not being a six, though. That first reg. date confirms the obvious that it's been rebuilt a bit - that rear crossmember, the new door tops/mirrors, fresh paint, and fresh signals made that a natural call.

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 12/23/2014 at 11:29

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Yeah, kind of what I was expecting. I consider body rust to be a TLC thing unless it's structural.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie 12/23/2014 at 11:31

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It *can* be structural. Beware the rotty door post, my son. Not that hard to fix, but definitely sketchy.

TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 12/23/2014 at 13:20

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At first look I thought it was a series III but then saw the windows and figured there was some Frankenlandrover going on.

Been keeping an eye out for a 5 door 109 as I'm thinking of selling the Jag and driving a Series to and from the train station. It's only 12 miles away and every time I drive the 88" I just keep thinking back to when I was a kid and family holidays in the 109.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. 12/23/2014 at 13:41

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Hopefully my younger brother will get off his backside and pony up for the OM617 diesel conversion kit and some axle parts next year for his. We've had a complete frame for it galvanized and ready for months and months now, to say nothing of a completely fixed firewall and front "breakfast" that are waiting...

TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 12/23/2014 at 14:16

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My dad is dragging his arse on the 109's chassis, I've found a place who does hot dip galvanizing up to 25 ft, a place to finish up the welds for all the mounts and he hasn't done anything. Granted I've spent the last month and a half finishing a house but yeah...

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. 12/23/2014 at 14:22

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Be prepared to drill a shitload of holes. Everywhere that might possible need a drain... even there. Then some more. I drilled literal hundreds of holes into the 88 frame and the 109 frame I rebuilt (from a 109 pickup, new parts, and an existing half-rotten 109 safari frame). Any possible angle that the frame might be tilted to during dip, it must be possible to drain and vent from, otherwise it may try to go off like a bomb. If you haven't outright beehived it with holes, they will likely not even take it, because it scares them to death. Corner of both ends of every crossmember, points below and above every cross-tube, all high points on both sides, all low points, and then keep adding.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Coty 12/23/2014 at 16:04

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I missed this post. Pics naow.

Coty > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 12/23/2014 at 16:09

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Next time I see it.

TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 12/23/2014 at 16:35

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Thanks, been through this one before with the 109. Prior chassis was galvanized when he did the frame up restoration 25 years ago, problem we have now is the 300Tdi and R380 have different mount points than the old engine and we don't want to do bolt on. It had a Ford 3.0 V6 so custom mounts had been made when he first did it.

Now it has to be changed out as we can't weld new mounts on due to the galvy. It's a process, I spent a weekend with a hammer drill on that bloody chassis.

I think we need to send my mom and wife on a month long cruise so we can just dive in and get it done and not have to worry about honey does.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. 12/23/2014 at 17:05

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Well, as long as one doesn't mind total PITAs, welding galvy stuff is possible - pre-grinding preferred. It'd never be right on the inside, of course, but exterior can get touched up with cold galv spray. I imagine the Ford 3.0 is different enough that undoing all that would be a nuisance, though, so your approach makes sense.

I did both the 88 and the 109 in about a day and a half's worth, but it absolutely sucked being in that much of a hurry. Definitely something worth stocking extra drill bits for.

Coty > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 12/24/2014 at 11:10

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Was looking for something else in my photos and found this.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Coty 12/26/2014 at 09:13

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That's a pretty unusual one - that pickup option didn't have a very high take rate over here.